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Let's start with the first sentence. Abbot writes...

"Science is a creative endeavor that requires the free and open exchange of ideas to thrive."

Ok then, so in the spirit of a free and open exchange of ideas, let us please inquire in to the degree to which science should thrive. Let's not just blindly assume that it should as if that were an obvious given.

Please introduce us to the scientists whose careers are focused on a serious, sustained, disciplined investigation in to the question of how much more knowledge and power human beings can successfully manage. Please introduce us to the scientists who are willing to explore beyond the nearly universal group think consensus of the science community which assumes without questioning that more knowledge is always better, without limit. Show us the scientists who aren't blindly clinging to a "more is better" relationship with knowledge, and proclaiming that as a superior "one true way", much in the same manner that fundamentalist Christians cling to their holy books.

It's not going to be possible to keep ideology out of science so long as it is the scientists themselves who are building science on a foundation of a simplistic, outdated and increasingly dangerous 19th century "more is better" relationship with knowledge philosophy which they should have begun seriously questioning at the moment that the first atomic weapon ignited over Hiroshima in 1945, seventy five years ago. That's an ideology too guys.

Krauss, meaning no personal disrespect, but given your work with The Bulletin, you of all people should understand who it is that the science community is determined to give ever more power at an ever accelerating rate.

As you know, we are the species who invented a city killing device, and then mass produced it, and who can't figure out how to get rid of it, so we've decided to ignore the threat, and turn our attention instead to producing ever more powers of vast scale which will inevitably fall in to the hands of the worst among us. We are the species who, having learned how to split the atom to catastrophic effect, decided it would be a good idea to study even more fundamental particles with enthusiastic zeal. This is the species which the science community is determined to give ever more power to.

Look, I like scientists. I really do. You are very intelligent people who are overwhelmingly operating from good intentions. But please stop lecturing us about ideology. You don't even know that you have an ideology, a blind faith relationship with knowledge that you are so rarely willing to examine, let alone question.

Where is the proof that human beings can successfully manage any amount of knowledge and power delivered at any rate? Please explain why we are supposed to ask for proof of every claim, except the claim modern science is built upon.

In the spirit of a free and open exchange of ideas, please proceed to try to rip this post to shreds. No offense will be taken, the challenge is welcomed with open arms. If you can, stick with the process. Try not to just fire off a couple of quick sentences and then run.

We share a belief in the power of reason, so let us reason together.

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Abbot writes, "How can we ensure political neutrality in science?"

But you don't want political neutrality, you want to win, to get your way, to have your philosophy prevail. You should of course make your case and argue your position. Just don't call it "neutrality" please.

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